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Big Y DNA test needed from certain clans

Koombe. said:
The same guy. I would not waste time with him @BluSkee This is the second time he joins Somali Project-most
likely going to leave again.
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Thanks for the update. Hopefully he stays on as we need more Somalis on yfull to learn more.
 
Salaam im going to soon take a Family finder test on FTDNA in a few days once it arrives *only bought it cuz it was cheapest should've waitied for sale and gotten the Y dna option*
 
Sarelka Sare said:
Salaam im going to soon take a Family finder test on FTDNA in a few days once it arrives *only bought it cuz it was cheapest should've waitied for sale and gotten the Y dna option*
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Don’t worry I think you can upgrade with ftdna with a different package
 
Bulletproof said:
Don’t worry I think you can upgrade with ftdna with a different package
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Alright, in shaa Allah, I’ll upgrade in the future. I have some questions about the Somali haplogroup E-V32, specifically its origin. My question is:
1) is it Natufian in origin or more like ancestral Mota in origin? Also, where do we get our Eurasian admixture from, considering we have common African mtDNA?
  1. If Natufians descend from Iberomaurusians or ancestral North Africans — who also had a majority Dzudzuana ancestry — and if Natufians themselves also had majority Dzudzuana ancestry, how are they autosomally different from Dzudzuana?
 
Sarelka Sare said:
Alright, in shaa Allah, I’ll upgrade in the future. I have some questions about the Somali haplogroup E-V32, specifically its origin. My question is:
1) is it Natufian in origin or more like ancestral Mota in origin? Also, where do we get our Eurasian admixture from, considering we have common African mtDNA?
  1. If Natufians descend from Iberomaurusians or ancestral North Africans — who also had a majority Dzudzuana ancestry — and if Natufians themselves also had majority Dzudzuana ancestry, how are they autosomally different from Dzudzuana?
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I copied this post from Shimbiris

What basically looks to have happened is that Eurasians of the same type as Anatolian HGs (AHG-like) came to North-Africa all the way to the Maghreb sometime before 15,000 years ago. They then intermixed with ANAs who were seemingly Y-DNA E carriers (lineages like our own E-M35 clade) who, for whatever reason, seemed to either outcompete the Eurasian males or just coincidentally "won" when some bottlenecks occurred because we don't have any sign in the pre-historic Maghreb, as far as I know, of Eurasian Y-DNAs like J, T or what have you yet plenty of Eurasian mtDNA lineages you find in us, Masris and Maghrebis to this day.

Then, long-story short, these ANA+AHG-like mixed people then pulled an uno reverse and migrated back into West Asia, namely the Levant, bringing Y-DNA E lineages and some ANA-related admixture. I'll go into the Haplogroups, the archaeology and even the physical anthropology in future posts but for now this "back-migration" is probably marked by the Kebaran period:
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Sarelka Sare said:
Alright, in shaa Allah, I’ll upgrade in the future. I have some questions about the Somali haplogroup E-V32, specifically its origin. My question is:
1) is it Natufian in origin or more like ancestral Mota in origin? Also, where do we get our Eurasian admixture from, considering we have common African mtDNA?
  1. If Natufians descend from Iberomaurusians or ancestral North Africans — who also had a majority Dzudzuana ancestry — and if Natufians themselves also had majority Dzudzuana ancestry, how are they autosomally different from Dzudzuana?
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Natufians are not fully west Eurasian.
Oldest indigenous paternal lineage yet discovered in North Africa is E1b1b. The original hunter gatherers of this region were mostly ANA which is a very basal population that branched off the ancestors of “proto-Eurasians” (not to be confused with “basal Eurasians”) and stayed in North Africa. They are represented by the ~45% “SSA-like” ancestry in Iberomaurusians. Iberomaurusians (IBM) are a population who’s paternally ANA and maternally Dzudzuana-like (probably the ancestors of Ohalo II specimen). Autosomally they score about half of each. Last, the Natufians are majorly the descendants of Ohalo II-like people who received archaic North African admixture in 30% that is similar but likely different from IBMs. This makes Natufians about ~14% ANA (or SSA-like).%~ while Somalis have it at 5-10%
 
Sarelka Sare said:
Alright, in shaa Allah, I’ll upgrade in the future. I have some questions about the Somali haplogroup E-V32, specifically its origin. My question is:
1) is it Natufian in origin or more like ancestral Mota in origin? Also, where do we get our Eurasian admixture from, considering we have common African mtDNA?
  1. If Natufians descend from Iberomaurusians or ancestral North Africans — who also had a majority Dzudzuana ancestry — and if Natufians themselves also had majority Dzudzuana ancestry, how are they autosomally different from Dzudzuana?
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this is a former answer I gave to this question you asked in another thread walaal.

Likely within the confines of the Eastern Sahara from a Pastoral Neolithic population that likely spoke some form of late common Afroasiatic or less likely, Nilo-Saharan.

Genomically, quite similar to the 4000 year old Kadruka and NaqadaI_Gebelein genomes. One was likely a Cushitic speaker, the other was likely speaking another late Afroasiatic tongue. Both are quite similar to Somalis.

I do suspect a possible Nilo-Saharan origin from a White Nile population as a distinct possibility.

I would associate it with the neolithic Nubian Abkan population. The East African Pastoral Neolithic E-V32 sample and other possibly E-V12 rich
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It is not of Natufian origin, Natufian ydna was basal E-Z830 that was reduced to a relict lineage in its Levantine homeland over millennia. I also covered in more detail the African background to the Kebaran archeological horizon which the Natufians had emerged in this forum

Diachronically Delimiting the Natufian and the Mischaracterization of Somali Ancestry.

the African antecessors of the Natufians were not Iberomarusian, but something similar. likely it was some ancestral Qadan related Nubian culture, possibly the Gemaian. the Natufian legacy in Africa is delimited to their descendants colonization of the Egyptian Delta region and northern Egypt, and these populations were later assimilated by southern Naqada populations. it has very little relevance to Somalis. I covered the archeology of this in a separate essay here:

Prehistory of the Nubian Pastoral Neolithic 'Cultural-Sphere'

also, Mota is not similar at all to Somalis in any way. it has very high paleo-African ancestries related to South African prehistorics. it is only half East African. Somalis have more paleo-East African-like as a higher proportion of ancestry than it does. it also has some relation to central African Pygmy populations.
 
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BluSkee said:
Yes he himself doesn’t understand it or he has an agenda haha. If you read the bottoms he says mj are the only ones who match ydna wise.

Someone sent me this guy on fb too.


Do you know what happened to the Geri brother under E-V6074? He is no longer on yfull?
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Some are deliberately misleading the people with lies.

Amiir Cabdi Fataax

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hurdaaye1988 said:
Some are deliberately misleading the people with lies.

Amiir Cabdi Fataax

Hidde-side DNA Soomaalida laga qaaday waxa uu caddeeyey In aan Soomaalidu isku dhiig u ahayn sida aynu naqaan ee ay u abtisadaan. Waxa kale oo uu caddeeyey in Soomaalidu badankood jid ku wada...
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Yes they are are 😩 but insha Allah the truth will come out sooner or later. With this type of DNA work there’s always more to learn and research. Sometimes people run with the little they have or purposely bend or out right lie to suit themselves.
 
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