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Big Y DNA test needed from certain clans

Kundi said:
I was just reading on some of the Somali tested samples in my immediate vicinity. I was surprised to discover that there is only one Ajuuran sample, which happens to be near my ydna tree. I also thought Ajuuran are either Hawiye or Darod, but they appear to be separate. While we share ancestry over 3000 years ago before Oromos and Somalis separated, could this brother be an Oromo assimilated to Gareen during Gaal Madow wars? But Gareen appears to be the house of the ruling class. Is it possible for an assimilated non-Somali joining the ruling house? (assuming the person is indeed from Gareen house). Also note that the Gareen brother shares the same subclade with the Borena sample from Kenya. I am equally curious about the circumstances in which the other clans (Garre and Horarsame) appear to be close.
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You are right. Ajuraan are pure Hawiye from the line of Jambeele Hawiye. Many of the Ajuraan today live amongst the Borana in Kenya hence the Gareen individual matching Borana. It’s obvious he is Oromo assimilated into the Gareen family. Same thing with the Garre who live with the Borana in Ethiopia and Kenya. These are all peripheral clans that share borders with Oromo. Hawrarsame is a perfect example of Gaal Madow wars. They got absorbed by the Darood who were pushing south.
 
Bulletproof said:
You are right. Ajuraan are pure Hawiye from the line of Jambeele Hawiye. Many of the Ajuraan today live amongst the Borana in Kenya hence the Gareen individual matching Borana. It’s obvious he is Oromo assimilated into the Gareen family. Same thing with the Garre who live with the Borana in Ethiopia and Kenya. These are all peripheral clans that share borders with Oromo. Hawrarsame is a perfect example of Gaal Madow wars. They got absorbed by the Darood who were pushing south.
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Yeah maybe that Hawraesame individual, but I 100% believe Hawrarsame are Darood. They even have their own settlement in Nugaal, near Garowe. To be honest with you I don't believe the Ajuran empire was just Hawiye Somali, I heard Hawiye defeated the Ajuran, I wouldn't be surprised if Ajuran were majority Oromo, as Oromo had heavy presence in the souh.
 
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Mr HodonBari Marehan said:
Yeah maybe that Hawraesame individual, but I 100% believe Hawrarsame are Darood. They even have their own settlement in Nugaal, near Garowe. To be honest with you I don't believe the Ajuran empire was just Hawiye Somali, I heard Hawiye defeated the Ajuran, I wouldn't be surprised if Ajuran were majority Oromo, as Oromo had heavy presence in the souh.
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We’re Oromos in Bardhere?
 
Mr HodonBari Marehan said:
Yeah maybe that Hawraesame individual, but I 100% believe Hawrarsame are Darood. They even have their own settlement in Nugaal, near Garowe. To be honest with you I don't believe the Ajuran empire was just Hawiye Somali, I heard Hawiye defeated the Ajuran, I wouldn't be surprised if Ajuran were majority Oromo, as Oromo had heavy presence in the souh.
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Ajuran are Hawiye. This is them celebrating few weeks back their yearly celebrations. Listen to their elders.

 
Amin Ajurani and the host both explain the history was so powerful it became more mystical over time which creates confusion. The Ajuran Hawiye lineage is consistent while others cant agree and say wa maqare samaale, ama wa xarmale samaale, ama wa gardheere samaale, ama wa persian, ama wa carab etc. Whats correct in a debate is whats more consistent. Ajuran are Hawiye but could have some foreign implant in them, groups joined their clans that connected them with the outside world but simultaneously ended their empire from within (iskudir). Amin goes further and says most real Ajuran are still living amongst other clans in the mainland, alot of public Ajuran folks now are recent immigrants from kenyan clans like Boran and Gabra.

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Xariir said:
Yea, I remember but it’d be interesting to get a Yfull and see which Arab clans he’s close to. The more Yfull’s done for J1 Somalis the more we can understand and get a fuller picture of the interaction between Somalis and Arabs.

The only other Somali I seen with J1-P56 is a Reer Aw Xasan guy in the Eritrean FTDNA group. I was also speaking to a Bakri Saudi who said he was in contact with a Sheekhaal who was also P56, but lost contact with him. The Bakri (lays claim to Sayyiduna Abu Bakr) himself is P56.

Shaykh Hasan “Kawayni” is the progenitor of Reer Aw Xasan.
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I have at least seen two reer Aw Xasan on 23and me who got E-V32 plus there is a Reer Aw guy on Y-full ID YFF111028
 
Mr HodonBari Marehan said:
Yeah maybe that Hawraesame individual, but I 100% believe Hawrarsame are Darood. They even have their own settlement in Nugaal, near Garowe. To be honest with you I don't believe the Ajuran empire was just Hawiye Somali, I heard Hawiye defeated the Ajuran, I wouldn't be surprised if Ajuran were majority Oromo, as Oromo had heavy presence in the souh.
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Could be. This is just one sample. We cannot generalise based on one sample.
 
Bulletproof said:
You are right. Ajuraan are pure Hawiye from the line of Jambeele Hawiye. Many of the Ajuraan today live amongst the Borana in Kenya hence the Gareen individual matching Borana. It’s obvious he is Oromo assimilated into the Gareen family. Same thing with the Garre who live with the Borana in Ethiopia and Kenya. These are all peripheral clans that share borders with Oromo. Hawrarsame is a perfect example of Gaal Madow wars. They got absorbed by the Darood who were pushing south.
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Thanks. I have read that they have some form of affinity with Hawiye although the ended up being pushed out by a subclan of Hawiye.
 
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Asc guys! I hope everyone is doing well. Has anyone come across any DNA testing of the Somali clan Abajibil? A brother asked me but I haven’t seen any. Thought to ask you all!
 
BluSkee said:
Asc guys! I hope everyone is doing well. Has anyone come across any DNA testing of the Somali clan Abajibil? A brother asked me but I haven’t seen any. Thought to ask you all!
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No, but ask @Bulletproof he is an expert on this.
 
BluSkee said:
Thanks for the suggestion. He definitely is helpful 💯 @Bulletproof what have you say brudda?
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I haven’t seen them yet personally. The Banaadiri brother on this forum probably knows. I can’t tag him because of his Arabic username :warabe:
 
Bulletproof said:
I haven’t seen them yet personally. The Banaadiri brother on this forum probably knows. I can’t tag him because of his Arabic username :warabe:
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Okay Jzk!
 
Kundi said:
I was just reading on some of the Somali tested samples in my immediate vicinity. I was surprised to discover that there is only one Ajuuran sample, which happens to be near my ydna tree. I also thought Ajuuran are either Hawiye or Darod, but they appear to be separate. While we share ancestry over 3000 years ago before Oromos and Somalis separated, could this brother be an Oromo assimilated to Gareen during Gaal Madow wars? But Gareen appears to be the house of the ruling class. Is it possible for an assimilated non-Somali joining the ruling house? (assuming the person is indeed from Gareen house). Also note that the Gareen brother shares the same subclade with the Borena sample from Kenya. I am equally curious about the circumstances in which the other clans (Garre and Horarsame) appear to be close.
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is this guy asal Kenyan Ajuraan (not soo galeeti)? those guys are heavily Oromized, and have intermarried with Boranas for hundreds of years, and have picked up on alot of Borana marital and extra-marital customs regarding paternity as a result of being under Borana hegemony poltically and culturally. this pertains specifically to the Walemugge Ajuraan sections of Kenya pre-dating the main bulk of Somali settlement in the region, and should explain those Ajuraan with Oromo patrilines, something which I have mentioned before in a comment in this thread. here is the most pertinent section:

there are Ajuraan that had become effectively Boranized who are apart of the Walemuge. sections of this subclan of Ajuraan are not really fully accepted by other Somalis since they essentially became Oromos for several generations. Olol Dinle and the regular Ajuuraan Somali as far as I know have nothing to do with these Oromized Ajuraan having Oromo lineages. this group most likely adopted the custom of the wife having extra-marital companions (gaarayyuu), which is widespread and accepted in Oromo culture, and the Walemuge also practiced this with Oromos, the resulting child belonging to the wife's husband, excerpts from 'The Family Among the Borana Oromo: A Case of Customary Law in Ethiopia'

Accordingly, Borana women are allowed to establish their love relations sometime after their marriage. When the husband is away, a married woman may receive her lover (gaarayyuu) in her house. The love relation can also be formalised. The womanʼs lover must approach her husband, acknowledging the love affair and asking permission for it to continue. the husband has the formal right to deny his consent, this behaviouris considered highly unseemly by the community unless it is justified by well-substantiated charges against the wifeʼs lover. Once thelove relationship has been formalised, the husband must be discreet and allow the loverʼs privacy in her house. The lovers enter into the jaalaa-jaaltoo official relation, and the husband and the he-lover are also jaalaa to each other, a social relation that entails mutual obligations and solidarity
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and Oromos giving all children to the wedded husband, regardless of the actual father:

According to the Borana value system, the real identity of the genitor is of no relevance to family affairs. The husband is considered the pater of all his wivesʼ children for all intents and purposes, and the latter cannot be discriminated against in any way based on the genitorʼs identity.
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there are Boran elders who were fathered by the Ajuraan boyfriends of married Borana women, from 'Brothers of the Boran Once Again: On the Fading Popularity of Certain Somali Identities in Northern Kenya':

Golich Diima, a Boran elder, added:

Our fathers have told us before, that the tribes who live in this land are three: the Gabra, Boran, and Sakuye together. They are the owners of the land. The tribe next to us whose customs were interwoven with ours are the Ajuran, they said. Our fathers called them Baalad ….My father was begotten by Mamad Ali Gabaaba as a genitor [i. e. he was not begotten by his father but by an Ajuran lover of his mother]. He was of these Gashe [an Ajuran section of Ali Diima. … Thus we and the Ajuran were like one village and brothers. At that time at Wajir only Boran and Baalad [Ajuran] were settling
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this practice meant that the Oromized Ajuraan had genealogical connections with the Borana, and likely went both ways

By 2000, the Kenyan Ajuran managed to re-insert themselves into the Boran fold and much knowledge about their relationship to the Boran surfaced once again. This knowledge included even genealogies through lovers, although there is a strong cultural emphasis on the notion of paternity being established by the bridewealth for the mother, and extra-marital relations are known to exist but are normally completely discounted in descent reckoning.
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